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		<title>Comment on My Year as a Florida Panthers Season Ticket Holder by Scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 15:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good stuff man. I was a Blues season ticket holder the first year after the lockout for $7 a seat, and it was great. I lived in St. Louis though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff man. I was a Blues season ticket holder the first year after the lockout for $7 a seat, and it was great. I lived in St. Louis though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twisted Logic: The Fallacy of Trading Roberto Luongo by mark</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you&#039;re right about the playoffs point of view and that should be the reason to trade Luongo.Schneider will get them to the playoffs,maybe no presidents trophy but that doesnt mean shit when the playoffs start. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#039;re right about the playoffs point of view and that should be the reason to trade Luongo.Schneider will get them to the playoffs,maybe no presidents trophy but that doesnt mean shit when the playoffs start. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Twisted Logic: The Fallacy of Trading Roberto Luongo by Seb</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart, smart, smart article and analysis. I agree with you. But I&#039;m afraid the Canucks will have to think of Luongo&#039;s career and the fact he&#039;s been hammered by critics. Now Luongo may not want to be there anymore which changes the game... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart, smart, smart article and analysis. I agree with you. But I&#039;m afraid the Canucks will have to think of Luongo&#039;s career and the fact he&#039;s been hammered by critics. Now Luongo may not want to be there anymore which changes the game&#8230; </p>
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		<title>Comment on Twisted Logic: The Fallacy of Trading Roberto Luongo by Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay; 
 
This is a well reasoned argument- a rarity when it comes to Canucks discussion.  I am in your camp when it comes to what the Canucks should do:  Schneider will be a great goalie for years to come, but the Canuckers were built to win the cup now.  Luongo is an elite goalie with an elite contract, and as pointed out, was paid such that he would be the Canucks&#039;s elite goalie for their window.  Canucks&#039; &#039;Schneider-issue&#039; is a problem of riches; if the window is now, Schneider needs to be traded for the best player for this window.   
 
Luongo has been and is a great goalie, but was made the &#039;escape- goat&#039; (zing) of a team decimated by injuries in last year&#039;s cup final.  The cup final is different with Hamhuis, two-legged Kesler, and two-eyed Maholtra.  I always think, had the Canucks re-signed and avoided Ballard, Canucks would of won the Stanley Cup last year....hindsight, sigh.... 
 
Your points with respect to the Sedins, are spot-on. Once the twins are gone, the window is closed.  The prospect pool and current roster are not an elite team without them.  It will be a few years, some good drafting and proper cap management to get the team competing for the Northwest title after they move-on.   
 
The claim of teams being consistent performers and building to win the cup every year is bogus.  Detroit is used as an example of these consistent elite teams, but with Lidstrom at 43, Holmstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk on the downslope, it is very hard to see where their cup pedigree is coming from.  They have good players, but their window to win has since passed with the current roster.   
 
So yes, in agreement, move Schneider, try for the cup with the current team with the current roster (a tweak here or there), celebrate, and then build the team for the next window.   
 
Great article, I am now a reader of your blog! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay;</p>
<p>This is a well reasoned argument- a rarity when it comes to Canucks discussion.  I am in your camp when it comes to what the Canucks should do:  Schneider will be a great goalie for years to come, but the Canuckers were built to win the cup now.  Luongo is an elite goalie with an elite contract, and as pointed out, was paid such that he would be the Canucks&#039;s elite goalie for their window.  Canucks&#039; &#039;Schneider-issue&#039; is a problem of riches; if the window is now, Schneider needs to be traded for the best player for this window.  </p>
<p>Luongo has been and is a great goalie, but was made the &#039;escape- goat&#039; (zing) of a team decimated by injuries in last year&#039;s cup final.  The cup final is different with Hamhuis, two-legged Kesler, and two-eyed Maholtra.  I always think, had the Canucks re-signed and avoided Ballard, Canucks would of won the Stanley Cup last year&#8230;.hindsight, sigh&#8230;.</p>
<p>Your points with respect to the Sedins, are spot-on. Once the twins are gone, the window is closed.  The prospect pool and current roster are not an elite team without them.  It will be a few years, some good drafting and proper cap management to get the team competing for the Northwest title after they move-on.  </p>
<p>The claim of teams being consistent performers and building to win the cup every year is bogus.  Detroit is used as an example of these consistent elite teams, but with Lidstrom at 43, Holmstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk on the downslope, it is very hard to see where their cup pedigree is coming from.  They have good players, but their window to win has since passed with the current roster.  </p>
<p>So yes, in agreement, move Schneider, try for the cup with the current team with the current roster (a tweak here or there), celebrate, and then build the team for the next window.  </p>
<p>Great article, I am now a reader of your blog! </p>
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		<title>Comment on Twisted Logic: The Fallacy of Trading Roberto Luongo by Tyler</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As much as i agree we should trade schneider (schneider+raymond for nash ?) we cant because we have 0 cap space, in reality it would make more sense to move luongo and free up lots of cap space so we might be able to bring in one or two good players. No doubt columbus would take schneider and raymond an maybe a pick for nash, and that would be ideal for the canucks, but we cant cram nash under the cap.  
 
I say we trade luongo to tampa where he wants to go, get teddy purcell or whatever assets we can get, and use those assets + raymond and try for nash or another high caliber goal scorer. The reason for trading raymond would be to create a spot in the top 2 or 3 lines.  The canucks have too many players that are potential second liners (raymond kesler burrows booth higgins, heck even hansen has been playing well) so we could afford to off load raymond. 
 
Sedin - sedin - nash 
Booth - kesler - burrows 
Higgins - pahlson - hansen 
Lapierre - malhotra - extra 
 
Schneider - lakk 
 
Thats a cup contending team right there if i do say so myself. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as i agree we should trade schneider (schneider+raymond for nash ?) we cant because we have 0 cap space, in reality it would make more sense to move luongo and free up lots of cap space so we might be able to bring in one or two good players. No doubt columbus would take schneider and raymond an maybe a pick for nash, and that would be ideal for the canucks, but we cant cram nash under the cap. </p>
<p>I say we trade luongo to tampa where he wants to go, get teddy purcell or whatever assets we can get, and use those assets + raymond and try for nash or another high caliber goal scorer. The reason for trading raymond would be to create a spot in the top 2 or 3 lines.  The canucks have too many players that are potential second liners (raymond kesler burrows booth higgins, heck even hansen has been playing well) so we could afford to off load raymond.</p>
<p>Sedin &#8211; sedin &#8211; nash</p>
<p>Booth &#8211; kesler &#8211; burrows</p>
<p>Higgins &#8211; pahlson &#8211; hansen</p>
<p>Lapierre &#8211; malhotra &#8211; extra</p>
<p>Schneider &#8211; lakk</p>
<p>Thats a cup contending team right there if i do say so myself. </p>
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